You know you have a great product (like our sealed breech 209 conversions) when so many of your customers take the time to write such detailed, complete, messages. Below is what Al R from Indiana had to say about our Remington 700 ML 209 conversion that he installed himself.
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Yesterday I converted the bolt on our family-owned Remington 700ML. My son, Matt, (who is much more computer savvy than I am) ordered it about 7 or 10 days ago.
For the sake of you knowing how much mechanical background this (very satisfied) customer has, in 1966 I was an apprentice tool-and-die guy. Within a year or so in the apprentice program I changed career course and enrolled in engineering school, which has paid the bills for the last 50 years, until my retirement. Over the years I accumulated a small hobby garage machine shop (drill press, vertical mill, engine lathe, shaper, welders, etc.). I consider myself an upper-echelon, non-professional, hobbyist. With those credentials, I hereby give a grade of “A” to Badger Ridge for your VERY complete instructions (both electronic and hard copy) and the materials kit for making a Remington 700ML 209 Bolt Conversion.
Certainly the key to doing the conversion yourself is “Tool 002”. I’ve attached a photo of my rendition of “Tool 002” that didn’t require welding. (It was only 10°F here yesterday in central Indiana, and I didn’t want to have the shop doors open to do the welding).
The B/M for my “Tool 002” is:
(1) short piece of angle or barstock
(2) #10 ViseGrip pliers
(2) ½-13 nuts (while square is best, heavy hex would be ok, and standard nuts would work)
(1) ½-13 hex head cap screw, drilled to accept firing pin
The other suggestion I have is to recommend that when tapping the cross pin (out and in) the instructions need to prescribe support, or it will bounce, (and eventually bend), I suppose. I used a machinist V-block, but anything could be shimmed up and made to work.
As to tuning the breech plug, Fiocchi 209 primers will not fit in my rifle without tuning.
I can’t wait to get the scope mounted and some Blackhorn powder and take the gun to the range, once it warms up.
On a larger picture, projects like 209 Conversions make America stronger, as DIY people who do these types of projects are problem solvers that extends way beyond a single 209 Bolt Conversion. I’m a strong believer in “Made in America”. I’m glad to see that you’re doing your part.
Best wishes to Badger Ridge for 2018, and keep up the good work!!
Thanks for the kind words, encouragement, and insight on an easy way to improvise a firing pin tool.
As for the cross pin removal: I like to use the pipe nipple with the welded nut bolt tool on 700ML's... it holds it all very well, and holds best when clamped in my vice. Makes tapping the pin out a breeze. With this tool I've had little trouble removing all but the most stubborn cross pins. If the pin doesn't want to budge, usually trying from the other side is all it takes. However for the really stuck ones, I do place the cocking piece on the anvil of my vice, or in a V block and use hard strikes to remove the pin.
When putting it all back together, using the roll pin we include with the kit (and de-burring the pin with a little light filing) usually requires little undue force. I tend to use the tool I welded up quick (two nuts welded to small angle... similar to the one you shared) when I work on un-threaded cocking piece firing pins that have to have solid dowel pins... and with solid dowl pins, I pre drill 3/32, then disassemble & chase each hole individually with a #41 drill bit. This way the solid dowel pin floats into place (so there is little friction on the pin requiring hard strikes).
As for primer recommendations: Yes, Fiocchi and other European 209 primers are typically fatter than US primers. (I used recommend standard CCI but now that CCI changed their dimensions and color [now they are silver] I cannot recommend them, and instead suggest Federal or Remington primers). With most of these you will probably have to tune.
Remember if a primer sticks in the nose, a dry fire usually will loosen it.
Thanks again for writing in and allowing me to share your message with everyone,
Always love to hear from our customers. Here is what Craig G from Massachusetts had to say about the Ruger 77/50 209 bolt & breech plug he bought from us:
I just wanted to let you know that I’m very happy with the Ruger 77/50 bolt and breech plug that I bought recently. They arrived fast and the fit and finish is as good if not better then original. Thank you. Job well done.
You should be proud of the product and service you provide.
Thank you for taking the time to write us! We appreciate the kind words and positive feed back. We are proud of our products and the services we render. We are also proud of our great customers! God has blessed us!
Want more information on our Ruger 77/50 209 Conversion kit? Start here or use the categories listed on the right side of this blog.
Steve P from Lake Orion, Michigan was so pleased with his Remington 700 ML 209 Conversion he took the time to send us the picture above via Facebook. Here's what he had to say (short, sweet, and to the point):
130 yard shot, 120gr by volume of Black Horn 209, Parker Ballistic Extreme 300gr and the Badger Ridge bolt upgrade, Timney trigger.
Wow! Nice Buck! Well Done!
If you are looking for a great gift to a Remington 700 ML or Ruger 77/50 owner, look no further. Unless they hunt in Oregon, or Idaho (the last two hold outs that don't allow sealed breech 209's), our sealed breech 209 conversion kits are the best thing they could ever have on their rifles! And if they hunt in Oregon/Idaho you could send me their bolt and I'll deep clean it and change the Remington's mainspring. Or I can build an entire new bolt so that they can switch back and forth between the original system and our system. So we have y'all covered too!
You may wonder how it works. You can think of having three basic options:
Option 1: Buying a DIY kit
You can buy a Remington 700 ML kit as a gift to be installed by the owner or their gunsmith. (option 1) This is your least expensive option. Note, that there is not an "Option 1" for a Ruger as the Ruger's conversion is too complicated.
Option 2: Send us the bolt and pay us to convert it
You can purchase our Remington kit, add installation before you check out, and then ship us the bolt. Lets call this option 2. It's in the middle of cost, but very simple as you just have to ship us the bolt, we convert it and send it back. The costs differ but this option is basically the same between the Remington 700 ML and the Ruger 77/50. When it comes to option 2: you send us the bolt, it's converted, then shipped back with the new breech plug/vent liner and other small tools. Of course with the Ruger 77/50, there is no option one.
Option 3: Buy a new bolt we build from scratch
Option 3 is the most expensive option: buy an already converted bolt with a breech plug. I only recommend option 3 when people hunt in Idaho, or Oregon for some hunts where they have to use exposed caps, but have other hunts where they can seal the breech and use 209's. This option is also viable for folks who have rifles that are missing bolts. We can build bolts for both the Remington 700 ML/MLS and the Ruger 77/50.
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Hope this helps and you have a wonderful Christmas & Happy Holidays!
I’ve said it here many times. My favorite part of this business is the quality of people it draws. We wouldn’t be here without you, our customer. Our Ruger 77/50 209 conversion came into existence with the help of our first Ruger 209 conversion customer… Here’s how he feels about it.
We also have a similar sealed breech 209 conversion for the Remington 700 ML. If you are looking for Remington information, click the link on the right side.
A bunch of chit chat with Jason was snipped for brevity (we grew up about 20 minutes from each other, but had never met previously… I also have removed personal info such as, last names, addresses, and phone numbers. I also fixed a few spelling/grammatical errors on both sides). Bottom line: This is indeed a true customer and his feed back.
30 Jan 2017
Name: Jason R
Address: Howell, MI
I see you commented on Michigan sportsman forum on a Ruger 77/50 bolt conversion. When will it be available? I have battled misfires since I bought mine years ago. I would love to get it converted.
Badger Ridge’s response (30 Jan 17 ):
Wow that was fast! I just posted that teaser! Figured I'd offer it up to my 'homeland' hunters first (grew up in Waterford... hunted family farms in Marlette and Pinckney, Michigan when I was a kid) ... so I put the first peek there.
Short answer is that I just finished a few tweaks to the kit that should be the end of development and bring it into low rate production. I'm not sure when the shop will be able to get the handful of initial low rate kits to me. Probably a few weeks to a month.
Cost will be about $246 on this one... not cheap but well worth it. And due to the complexity I'm not planning on offering it up as a DIY kit... the $246 includes me converting a provided bolt and shipping it back.
Let me know if you want to be the first one to get this.
Yes I would love to be one of the first. I don't need the bolt until December so let me know when you want it. I am just about giddy with excitement. I was pondering buying a new muzzle loader but my Ruger shoot so well I just hated to. I consider your pricing a bargain versus buying a new Knight which is what I was looking at.
Ok. Sounds good. I agree about the knight purchase. That is why I'm into 700 ML's and now the Ruger. Seems like a better way to get the about the same performance... especially if you already own the rifle to convert.
We wrote back and forth and worked out a couple small growing pains in doing the last bit of developing the kit. (remember he volunteered to be the first customer with this kit and understood it was still needing some final development). Jason was very patient and understanding through out the process. We got it right for everyone here after! Here's what he wrote back to us:
Sept 22nd 2017
[Ruger 77/50] ML shot well. I only shot 3 times, the temperature was 80 degrees with horrible humidity.
My glasses were fogging so I did not want to sit and let the barrel cool down between shots. Thanks for all your efforts, cleaning was so much easier and I was able to leave the leather wrap off my scope.
Just finished cleaning the Ruger after a final sight in before season (15 Nov). I just thought I would drop you a note. Your conversion works very well. Constant ignition shot after shot, no more hang-fires or misfires. This conversion cuts clean up time down by at least 15 minutes.
Thanks again for all your hard work.
Thank you for being an awesome, understanding customer. Your patience helped us to develop the best 209 conversion for the Ruger 77/50. We are proud of our product and our awesome customers!
After years of selling our Remington 700 ML 209 conversion, and installing many hundreds of them, I still enjoy it when folks take the time to send feed back. I installed our kit on the customer's bolt below. After he got it back, I received the very detailed message shown below (and received permission to share it with you).
Subject: Remington 700 ML 209 Conversion
Badger Ridge Staff
I got to the range yesterday (finally) to do some testing. As expected I had to do just a bit of tuning on the breech plug to allow the primer to fit properly with the provided drill bit. The time at the range sort of got away from me so did not get to test every powder option that I wanted too, however my plan was to end up with Blackhorn 209, so that is what I ended up using for most of the testing.
Powders Initially Desired to be Tested
Pyrodex Select Powder – did not get a chance to test.
Pyrodex Pellets – did shoot one three round group with this powder source
Triple Se7en Magnum Pellets – did shoot one three round group with this powder source
Blackhorn 209 – Shot 15 loads with this powder
Barnes - 245 grain - .451 Spit-Fire MZ™ - 1763 fps
T/C - 250 grain - .451 Polymer Tip - 1712 fps
Harvester - 260 grain - .451 Polymer Tip - 1705 fps
I ended up with the Blackhorn 209 powder (100 grains by volume), the Harvester 260 PT Shockwave bullet, and CCI Shotgun Primers giving just under 1.5” groups @ 100 yards. I think I can actually improve on that. I shot 21 rounds with the new 209 Conversion setup and did not experience one misfire of a 209 primer during this testing. Plans are to do some additional testing to build a proper scale as my Bushnell Scope has a BDC reticle. I would also like to revisit the use of Pyrodex & Triple Se7en Magnum pellets as that is a very convenient method to load and/or reload for a second shot versus the Blackhorn 209 loose powder. I did clean between (3) shot groups and was a bit surprised at the amount of “black” residue from the Blackhorn. It did not seem to be any cleaner than the other powder sources. Maybe I was expecting too much from the advertising.
The only downside with this new setup is the removal of the fired 209 primers and reloading of a new one seems to take a bit more time than the old #11 percussion caps. However, the greatly improved ignition system and lack of any powder blowback in one’s face is well worth that. Besides, I have not had to use a follow-up shot in all my deer hunting for the past 50 years and do not plan on starting now.
From my experience and initial testing, you have a very well designed product and have given my Remington 700 ML new life.
Welcome to The Badger's Den. Normally I discuss our muzzle loader products, with a focus on our sealed breech 209 modifications for Remington 700 ML and the Ruger 77/50. If you don't want to read about a boy's first deer... feel free to click any of the links along the right side which will take you towards the info you are looking for.
Today, I just want to brag a little about my oldest son, who shot his first deer over the Special Youth Hunting Weekend. It's a very nice buck! And his very first deer!
We were hunting a small 17 acre, swampy, privately owned parcel in the middle of suburbia. The owner (a friend) was getting lots of complaints from the neighbors about deer destroying their gardens. I promised him we could help. He's relieved to tell the complaining neighbors that there is a hunter dealing with the problem.
I did the research and from one area in the very middle of the property we were legal to discharge firearms, and if we were 15' up in the air, that firearm could be a rifle. So I put a 15' two man ladder stand there. After being in the stand about 1 hour on the first day of the special youth hunt, some deer came in... but as it was so early in the season, with so much greenery still on the branches is was hard to see what came in. We could only see something brown moving under the lower canopy. Luckily my boy was patient, still, and quiet as he waited for the shot. When this bruiser decided to establish his dominance on a smaller buck, he stopped broadside too us in one of the few areas we had no obstructions. My son chose that moment to send a super sonic 300 BLK round right into his shoulder. He went all of 20 yds (in a circle) and dropped.
After getting the buck I realized that it would be appropriate to post about it here. See, that rifle has many things we sell here on it. As my boy barely weighs over 100lbs, he's pretty recoil shy. Thus 300BLK and a suppressor. Nothing reduces felt recoil like a good suppressor. He's just now hitting his growth spurt, and the adjustable stock on the AR works well for growing kids. And seeing the parcel is in the middle of suburbia, the noise suppression took the 'boom' down to hearing safe levels for us*, and a small crack for the neighbors.
From muzzle to grip there's stuff we sell in this rifle. I converted a solvent trap to a Form 1 suppressor (and also converted the AR to a Form 1 Short Barreled Rifle). I free floated the fore end with a carbine length quad rail, but softened the grip with our Picatinny Rail covers. I replaced the gritty standard AR trigger with a NM Two Stage trigger from RRA. I tighened the fit between the upper and lower with an accu-wedge, and I replaced the straight slotted screw that held the grip on with the proper hex head head drive cap grip screw too.
It is wonderful to see your child succeed. Even more wonderful when he does it by applying the lessons and techniques you try to teach, and while using the tool you conceived of and put together for the task!
*Assuming hearing safe... I don't have a DB meter. There is no doubt its much quieter and better than un-supressed.
Tired of miss fires? Tired of blow back in your face and all over you scope? Had enough stripping the bolt and action to clean after every time you shoot? I know I was... until I put this conversion on my 700 ML rifles.
Now my Remington 700 ML rifles are the wonderful deer killing machines I knew they could be, and without all the fuss, crud in my face, and 'will it go off' worries i had before!
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Want to know more out our 209 conversion kit? Please read my posts here in the Badger's Den and our FAQ.
Already have a kit and need some vent liners? We sell them to, and at a great price!
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We're always looking to help Remington 700 ML/MLS shooters. So on top of our awesome 209 Conversion Kit, Brand new Bolts, New Bolt Bodies, Mainsprings, Vent liners, etc, we now make and sell our own replacement bolt stop cam follower screws.
So if you lose yours (we've had a few folks contact us asking for help) we can help you out.
We turn these replacement bolt stop screws on a lathe. We start with screws (blued alloy steel) and produce something similar to the Remington part #: F99286
Note: we used to make this out of 18-8 stainless as well. However they 18-8 is just too hard on tooling to make it cost effective. The blued alloy steel screw will work just fine in stainless rifles.
When you run a business, you get to communicate with folks from all walks of life. 99.99% of our customers are truly awesome people. Part of the reason I'm in this business is the sort of people it draws. Again another satisfied customer took some of his time to write in and share what he thought about the Remington 700 ML 209 conversion he bought and installed on his rifle. I asked and he didn't mind if I shared his email here (I did remove most of his last name for some anonymity):
Just wanted to let you know I received your 209 conversion for my Remington 700. I installed it at home with the help of your instructions and the online video. It works great. No more failure to fires due to the weak #11 caps. It shoots every time. Period. No misfires. I know it's not the cheapest kit, but I'm confident I won't have to worry. I'd buy it again without hesitation. It's a great product. Thanks again.
Mike G, from Wisconsin
Thank you Mike for the positive feedback! We aim to please. Like you said, quality costs, our kit is not only quality and made in the USA but it's also the solid fix to all the Remington 700 ML's initial flaws. It gives me the confidence to reliably harvest animals. We'd love to see pics of your successes!
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